This interview on NPR’s News and Notes was thoughtfully done by host Farai Chideya, a very capable journalist and cool person. Fellow interviewees Raphe Sonenshein, a professor at California State University Fullerton; and Van Jones, president of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in Oakland, Calif. made the discussion pretty rich. We even got to talk about (believe it or not) how capitalism informs the racial discussion in the US. Really. Check it out.